1995 YKC Roadster

[Rob Green]

Hello everyone. It's the same old story about getting around to it. I've had my kit for 20 years now and I'm finally getting around to building it! My only concern is whether it would pass the SVA or IVA or whatever test is now required. Any assistance would be useful.
Thanks in anticipation, Rob Green

[chris_cussen]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

The General Car Chat thread has a link to the IVA manual. I would suggest you read it carefully and work out how to address the requirements.
Items I can see potential difficulty are
1. Body plan (wheels be covered by wings etc.)
2. Glass (must be etched with correct symbol) not insurmountable as others have done it.
3. Sharp edges on exposed components.
4. In needs to have 2 speed wipers
5. It needs to have adequate de-misting
6. I'm pretty sure you will need dual circuit brakes

There are probably quite a few other gotcha's

[listerjp2]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Hi Rob

Welcome to the Clan.

There are people who say it wont be worth doing but I say it is if you want to.

Yes, it will be a little expensive and don't think you will get your money back but that is always the case.

We don't build or cars to make a profit.

It only takes one person to get the Roadster through and others will follow.

You are not alone on this website and there is at least one other who is having a go.

You will always find people here who will help and don't forget to trawl through past posts to find useful information.

The wings won't be to much of a problem, use cycle wings, you can always change them back once you have passed the test.

Good Luck.

Adrian

[listerjp2]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Just a quick question, being a YKC Roadster, is the screen part of the chassis or is it detachable?

If detachable then you can build it without and then you don't have to worry about Windscreen, windscreen wipers or demisting or indeed the problems associated with the curvature of the said item.

Adrian

[john cole77]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Hi Rob

I think that I am the person that Adrian is referring to.

I am about to start work on my 1981 Marina based Roadster and build it so it will pass the IVA test.

I believe it can be done.

It may not be easy and as Adrian indicated it will probably cost more than rebuilding an old roadster but there are solutions to the areas where a Roadster currently does not meet the IVA requirements.

But I am looking at it as a challenge.

As well as the points raised by Chris other areas to be addressed will be:

1. Upper seat belt mounting height
This needs to be 450mm above the reference plane of the 53mm x 136mm block paced on the seat.
To achieve this the floor will need to be lowered and seats with a thin cushion used
2. Self centering of the steering.
This is an issue for the Marina based Roadster but may not be a problem if the YKC has Sierra suspension.
3. Collapsible steering column.
I think The YKC uses a sierra steering column, so this will not be a problem.
4. Fuel tank and filler cannot the in the passenger compartment so will need some form of sealed panel.
5. Seats must meet the minimum height. Need to have a headrest
6. Windscreen with appropriate markings, can be supplied by Pilkingtons for about £160
7. Two stage door locks
8. Interior and exterior mirror field of vision

Download the IVA manual and have a read through and judge for yourself.

Regards

John

[Rob Green]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Thanks for the advice guys, I'm in two minds so will download and read the IVA document then decide. Thanks again, will I ever learn to get on with stuff? (rhetorical) Rob

[pl seymour]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Hi Rob, I have a Marina based roadster I purchased from WKC in Febuary 1994 and for various reason I have just restarted the build and I am determend to get it on the road this year. I am certain it can be done so dont give up, I have read up a lot on the BIVA test and I dont beleave its as bad as some would have you believe. When I purchased my kit YKC already new the test was comming an had started to modify the cars ie inner front wings have folded back edges door stricker plates changed to two position, metal panel behind seats to seal off tank etc.
I dont beleave the screen frame is a problem as the edges only have to be blunted ie rounded with grinder. I am fitting a 1.6 zetec engine with mt75 gearbox and hope to use Ford management system just to had to my problems. Feel free to contact me regards Patrick Seymour

[M5OLL]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Hi All. I too have embarked on getting another Roadster onto the road - a SWB Marina based kit originally purchased by my uncle in 1991. It is my intention to have it on the road this year and whilst I have read a few threads stating it is not worth it it hasnt put me off. We originally stripped an 1800 Marina but very little is now serviceable.

Work commitments and young family has meant I have enlisted the help of the Scottish Kit Car Centre in Edinburgh (I live in Glasgow). Chassis has been modified to take coil over adjustable suspension all round. Sierra rear diff and gear box, new Zetec 2.0l black top engine are going in with Wilwood brakes.

Part of the chassis modification has been a more rigid transmission tunnel and lowered floor. Im fitting one piece seats (with in built headrest) and four point harness. Intention is to vinyl wrap the body work.

It is not an at any cost build. It was a project I started with my uncle who passed away last year so it is a motivation to get it finished and finally get it on the road having been stored in various barns and outside over the years.

Hopefully a midnight blue Roadster will be rolling across the line later this year. I will set up a build diary shortly.

Mark

[dbazdavies]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Found this on another site IVA test the other day ..

Sorry if its been posted on here

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5428

[b_caswell]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Notes for Vosa IVA with old Marlin roadster kits

The first thing to do is some serious homework on what is involved and how much time and money is available.

“Kit car” magazine did produce a useful condensed booklet covering the main points of IVA but not sure if this is still available, however the VOSA IVA manual is available online.

The link is to this is < https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/...proval-manuals> ..... and kit cars come under the category M1.

Have a scroll through before trying to read it fully then refer to these notes from me that are more Marlin specific. Can’t guarantee that I have covered every issue but I have done my best.

Section...06.....Door latches..... The design of the Roadster door is such that you will need to source special double latched locks but they are available from kit accessory suppliers.

12 ....Interior fittings dashboard etc.... You will need to ensure cockpit edges and dash have a radius edge to prevent injury.

14.... Steering wheel and column.......You will need to have an approved type steering wheel and study the design of the column assembly to comply.

16.... Exterior projection....The leading edges of the front wings and suspension plus the windscreen frame and other sharp edges will need to have a radius or be protected.

19 and 31.... Seat belt anchorages will need to have recognised threaded ferules welded in to take correct grade of bolts and the shoulder height from the seat to the top mount will involve either a very thin seat squab or lowering the floor (quite a straight forward procedure) to get the measurement required. Plus the later add on seat belt tower to mount the bracket (There is a drawing for this (in technical tips) that would involve some simple engineering).

45....... Windscreen ....... will need to have the required markings It is possible to get specialist windscreen companies to cut a flat laminate screen to pattern but I am not sure if they can save the marking or re-etch the new screen to comply.( You would need to approach your local vehicle glass company)
There is an opinion that you can present the car with the screen and wipers missing but as on the Roadster the frame is integral with the chassis I am not sure if they would accept that. It would be a bit drastic but I suppose you could cut off the screen frame carefully to weld back on later.



You would be advised to take plenty of pictures of each specific stage of the build feature and produce a portfolio of the build to present along with the car. This also helps with assembly points that get hidden by later work as well as proving the home build status.


Not sure where you’re nearest IVA testing station is but it may be worth going along to see if you can have a chat with one of the inspectors

[b_caswell]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Plus extra comments from Steve Green and pos others I can add a bit to this...

IVA 2 extra

Section...06.....Door latches..... The design of theRoadster door is such that you will need to source special double latched locks but they are available from kit accessory suppliers. The things you need are called bear claw latches (available from CBS) in two sizes. I have fitted these very successfully to the Romero (identical doors to the roadster). Dont forget to remove the grease nipples from the hinges.

12....Interior fittings dashboard etc.... You will need to ensure cockpit edges and dash have a radius edge to prevent injury. Make sure of a 19mm radius on the bottom edge - a piece of upvc sink waste covered in vinyl works well, check switches are radiused and bezels of instruments.

14....Steering wheel and column.......You will need to have an approved type steering wheel and study the design of the column assembly to comply. If it comes from a production vehicle (like the sierra column - inc steering wheel) this is no problem, if not then the tester will have to be convinced that teh design is safe - appropriately angled joints etc

16....Exterior projection....The leading edges of the front wings and suspension plus the windscreen frame and other sharp edges will need to have a radius or beprotected. You can fit edge trim as long as its glued on firmly and isnt 'temporary' (cough). Check enough of the wheels are covered.

19 and31.... Seat belt anchorages will need to have recognised threaded feruleswelded in to take correct grade of bolts and the shoulder height from the seatto the top mount will involve either a very thin seat squab or lowering the floor(quite a straight forward procedure) to get the measurement required. Plus thelater add on seat belt tower to mount the bracket (There is a drawing for this(in technical tips) that would involve some simple engineering).

45....... Windscreen ....... will need to have the required markings Itis possible to get specialist windscreen companies to cut a flat laminatescreen to pattern but I am not sure if they can save the marking or re-etch thenew screen to comply.( You would need to approach your local vehicle glasscompany)
There is an opinionthat you can present the car with the screen and wipers missing but as on theRoadster the frame is integral with the chassis I am not sure if they wouldaccept that. It would be a bit drastic but I suppose you could cut off thescreen frame carefully to weld back on later Pilkingtons quoted me £130 plus vat iirc for a roadster screen with correct markings

[greyV8pete]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

I seem to remember a post some while ago where someone had a replacement windscreen that the local specialist had cut from a Land Rover one and also included the original markings. Maybe do a search on the forum unless someone else pops up and confirms this. Peter.

[pl seymour]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

Hi Ben, The booklet to which you refer is UK KIT CAR guide for 2015 priced at £7.95 from Complete Kit Car Magerzine, I obtained a copy at the show this year.
I spoke to a very helpfull chap called Richard from Pilkington Classics ( www.windscreensforkitcars.com) at Stoney a couple of years back, they are able to supply screens to order if you can send them a paper template and they will be fully E marked. They are based in Kent but are able to deliver to an agent near to where you live.
Re Suffolk Weekend we had a great time Thanks, just a shame not enough ROADSTERS ! Regards Patrick.

[b_caswell]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

As part of a Kent kit car group we visited the Pilkington Classics factory. A Marlin screen would be easy for them to make, watching the way they mould the complex curve screens is very interesting. Glad you enjoyed the weekend I think the roadster owners have become shy in their old age.

[David]

Re: 1995 YKC Roadster

As part of a Kent kit car group we visited the Pilkington Classics factory. A Marlin screen would be easy for them to make, watching the way they mould the complex curve screens is very interesting. Glad you enjoyed the weekend I think the roadster owners have become shy in their old age.

Hi Ben, hadn't realised you are in Kent. My current car was built mid eightees just outside Rochester and I was living in Maidstone when I built PKK 989M around the same time.