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  1. #1 New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    As the previous thread has been closed I thought I'd start another thread for anyone who is interested in this topic. I had contacted the original thread owner if drawings of his conversion, as I'm interested and would have explored having my own parts made, but quite reasonably he has told me he is no longer interested in the subject, hence his closure of the original thread.

    Unfortunately I didn't own my Roadster back when the 5SpeedMarina project was live, and I baulk a bit at the Frontline prices, so if someone has any other ideas, this thread will give a place to air them.
    Original builder of SWB Cabrio chassis no. 04-33 reg. no. CRN540Y - had a 2.8L Cologne V6 when I sold it in 2011
    Current owner of SWB Marian 1800TC Roadster Q741LPP - modified for trials by Fourtune Engineering
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  2. #2 Re: New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    There is a an Internet company called The Wayback Machine that takes archive snapshots of the internet and is quite useful for finding old web pages.
    Often the information is limited as for obvious reasons they can't archive every web page, every day.
    I did however find this....
    https://web.archive.org/web/20161001...eedmarina.com/
    some of the links work but not all.
    I thought it might have some useful information?
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  3. #3 Re: New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    Thank you, I had tried the Wayback Machine but I'm conscious I that it wouldn't be fair to infringe on anything the original poster may consider to be his intellectual property without his permission. Which probably makes this thread a bit tricky but as its seems that at least a couple of MOC members are interested in this topic its worth giving it a go.
    Original builder of SWB Cabrio chassis no. 04-33 reg. no. CRN540Y - had a 2.8L Cologne V6 when I sold it in 2011
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  4. #4 Re: New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    Quote Originally Posted by acbluemarlin View Post
    Thank you, I had tried the Wayback Machine but I'm conscious I that it wouldn't be fair to infringe on anything the original poster may consider to be his intellectual property without his permission. Which probably makes this thread a bit tricky but as its seems that at least a couple of MOC members are interested in this topic its worth giving it a go.
    I work with lots of business partners on contracts that include copyright and intellectual property issues and worked with many bodies on these issues with regard to the development of the internet (and the data on it) many years ago as a Director of the Internet Industry Association in Australia. You don't need to worry about it as the information was posted in a public space, and has been available in other forums and web sites for many years in the context of Marina conversions.

    Just keep an eye out for technical items clearly marked as patented, trademark, or copyright a specific person or organisation before re-creating anything material or reproducing and information about this that could be seen as proprietary.

    If you do use something obviously from elsewhere, then maybe best to credit the source.

    David.
    PS - I'm not in the legal profession so 'buyer beware' re: the above!
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    - Builder of chassis number 2325 (PKK 989M) in the mid 80's. Now owned by Eric & Lynne in the NE of England.
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  5. #5 Re: New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    Quote Originally Posted by acbluemarlin View Post
    Thank you, I had tried the Wayback Machine but I'm conscious I that it wouldn't be fair to infringe on anything the original poster may consider to be his intellectual property without his permission. Which probably makes this thread a bit tricky but as its seems that at least a couple of MOC members are interested in this topic its worth giving it a go.
    There is insufficient information in any of my threads or in this 5speedmarina archive or in Pitstop for people to copy the project without repeating the full exercise from scratch, making the relative measurements, sourcing parts etc.

    The most valuable property is likely to be the CAM files used to laser cut the profile. Those will not be released by the laser cutters that I used, without my authority.

    It appears that there has been some recent interest from the Morris Marina Owners Club too. They were a far larger market than Marlin, I am now in private discussion with their committee as I feel they would be better custodians of the detailed plans and possibly manufacturing in the longer term.

    The project remains closed until such time as I make a decision.
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  6. #6 Re: New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    Or you could buy a kit from Frontline to fit a type 9 http://www.frontlinedevelopments.com...onversion-kit/

    Or you could fit an MX5 gearbox https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/five-s...n-for-mgb.html

    Or you could take the easy route and ditch the cast iron anchor that is the 1.8 B series and fit the MX5 engine as well, why make life difficult?
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  7. #7 Re: New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    Quote Originally Posted by boustrophedon View Post
    Or you could buy a kit from Frontline to fit a type 9 http://www.frontlinedevelopments.com...onversion-kit/

    Or you could fit an MX5 gearbox https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/five-s...n-for-mgb.html

    Or you could take the easy route and ditch the cast iron anchor that is the 1.8 B series and fit the MX5 engine as well, why make life difficult?
    Or, you could go fully Ford with a Zetec Inside.

    So far, negative comments suggest that I was right to close my original thread. Was that what was intended?
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  8. #8 Re: New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    As the poster of this thread I haven't intended to make any negative comments about anything and if any comments I have made have given offence I apologise unreservedly.

    For the record, I'm enjoying driving the Marlin with the 1800 B-series engine and think it perfectly matches the spirit of the car. I don't think a zetec or a Mazda MX5 unit would to the same extent , and I'm not looking for that level of complexity in a Marlin Roadster. But if you've ever driven a car with a Ford type 9 gearbox the gearchange on the standard 4 speed Marina unit is quite disappointing to say the least. Plus an overdrive 5th would be very welcome. So any route to achieving a swap is quite appealing. But I'm not sure I want to spend upwards of £925 for the Frontline conversion. Plus I've owned a couple of MX5's as well over the years and I reckon the Ford type 9 is the sweeter change.

    As someone who used to be a hands on engineer before I started to spend all my time at work behind a desk I'v got a lot of respect for the effort that went into figuring out the original 5speedmarina conversion and making it work, its just a shame I wasn't a Roadster owner when it was commercially available.

    So once again, nothing I've posted on this thread is intended to be negative about the original conversion, or the decision to close the original thread.
    Original builder of SWB Cabrio chassis no. 04-33 reg. no. CRN540Y - had a 2.8L Cologne V6 when I sold it in 2011
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  9. #9 Re: New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevejgreen View Post
    Or, you could go fully Ford with a Zetec Inside.

    So far, negative comments suggest that I was right to close my original thread. Was that what was intended?
    Nope, well not on my part anyway, just pointing out that what was a good idea back then is now probably out of date. So perhaps you were right.
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  10. #10 Re: New thread on Marina to Ford Type 9 gearboxes 
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    For gods sake don't apologise, there are members out there who will be helpful and understanding.

    There will come a time when your help will be gratefully accepted.

    Don't give up on the forum, we are all here for the same thing, the enjoyment of owning and running a Marlin.

    We may have diverse opinions but it is up to us to decide which way we go.

    Good luck with your quest and look forward to seeing you at a meet or two.

    Adrian
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